20 Event Competition Results!

woo top 5! next time i'll have to make my game a little easier i think..

12 th
maybe next time...

Congrats to the winners. Too bad I was just one place short of placing in top10, but still, considering it was my first game since Klik'n Play, can't say I'm at all disappointed.

Turbulent Tundra's position is kind of surprising.. i think hanuro hawk should at least be where that is... how did it score a 43!?!! thats the highest score given! haha strange... kind of surprised by darkfate too, although that was an enjoyable game, i think invert inc was a greater accomplishment for 20 events.

Just questions how games were scored? I'm asking because from curiosity I just counted my game and:

IF I will add scores of all judges / 5 and add for Flash I got 28.6 + 5 = 33.6 = 34
IF I will add scores to all judges / 5 i got 29.6 = 30

So in any case I don't get 31 - but still I'm not saying that it's not proper score.

Pff I just skip that part, sorry for that KM. But still quite fair scoring. And again very close top 3

Also, I want to say thank you to the judges. You each could've made a new game of your own in the time it took to go through all of these competition entries and write comments for each one.

Congrats to everyone. I'm pretty happy with 9th place, and the constructive feedback in the scores.

Thanks judges for having the patience to try out... how many was it? 43 games. You crazy people you.

Thank you to the judges for playing and scoring all of the games. Jess and I had a lot of fun making our game. Congratulations to all of the other winners. I hope we see even more entries next year!

Congratulations for the winners!
6th place! Thanks a lot!

And thank you for the great competition!

Yay for the winners!

I especially appreciated the comments the judges gave - excellent feedback!

I could tell Adam spent some time on that part

Jeff rated Invert Inc. in the documentation field improperly. He gave it a 0 when it was fully documented. None of the other judges shared this. If he had given it even just a 2 it would have been a joint first.
May I add all the other judges gave it a minimum of 4 in that field.

When you only rate 5 and 0 you completely ruin the concept of a rating system in the first place. When you say you didn't rate it because ONE OBJECT didn't have ONE VARIABLE named I get seriously frustrated. None of the other judges shared this viewpoint and ALL rated it 4 as a minimum, it's very clear that you're sticking out from the other judges, especially when you only rate 0 and 5.
Yes, Invert Inc. didn't have a few variables named, but that does not warrent a 0 when it has AT LEAST ONE OR MORE COMMENTS FOR EACH EVENT.

What makes it especially frustrating is that a score of 2 would have made it a joint first place, and, if you had rated properly like the other judges, would have made it a winner.

I'm not saying you can't share your own viewpoint, but when you're sticking out THIS badly, there is clearly something wrong. I spend HOURS documenting Invert Inc. and it deserves more than a 0 BY FAR.

Apparently not when you gave ZDay20 a 5/5 when it clearly has Alterable Value E unnamed for chairs. That's ONE VARIABLE for ONE OBJECT, why did it not get a 0? (it has more unnamed variables too)

You're being incredibly inconsistent with your voting, and especially when you're being the final straw you shouldn't be giving points based on absolutely nothing when you can't even keep your own standards.

I'm not going to be part of the above debate, but since we're talking about this stuff, I did kind of find the rule 18 a bit weird:

"The entry, in the sole view of the judges, will be appropriate for viewers of all ages. Any nudity or profanity will cause disqualification."

Do all judges really consider shooting zombies and blood spatters to be "suitable for all ages"?

Just curious. The character in Darkfate has a pretty grim fate as well, as the title suggests. While just a few pixels, as a whole it's hard to see the ending as "suitable for all ages" either.

I'm not really complaining (wouldn't want either game to disqualify for the content) so much as I am just curious as to what's the point of the rule when it's not really taken into consideration at all. Nudity and profanity aren't the only mature things out there, y'know. Killing, blood and violence belong there too.

Better skip that rule, or actually go by what it says, or define these exceptions, in future contests.

So basically, the rule isn't about being "appropriate for all ages", it's simply about profanity and nudity not being allowed, right? And blood, violence and killing is ok with all hosts and judges of the contest, right? So the actual rule is misinforming.

An average parent wouldn't let their toddler play games where you shoot zombies and look at blood spatters, which means those games wouldn't be suitable for all ages, which is what most people would assume the rule is about when we're talking about "appropriate for all ages", which in turn implies that that wasn't taken into account at all when making the rule, or judging by it, by any of the contest hosts or judges. Yes, it is in "sole view of the judges", but these views are completely off from what an average person would consider "appropriate for all ages".

What I'm trying to say is, don't make the rules so complex for the contests if they need not be, and be more specific about what you mean with stuff like "appropriate for all ages", if it's not what an average person would think it means.

haha since when a $400 prize is serious business? With the skill you have you could get a good enough job to make that much in a week

I think the compo was for the fun, the prize was good, but honestly, with the time you invested you could've made more money doing something else.

It's natural to disagree with the scores when you put so much effort into your project but, after all, it all comes to whether you made a good game or not, if you did, you are a winner, keep it up and sooner or later you will get your 1st place somehow :Heartsmile:

it was tough for the judges with so many entries and so little time, mistakes happen, just look at sports, there's always a foul the referee didn't see that could've changed the outcome. Even winning involves certain degree of luck.

Ricky:
I've got no problem with violence as well, that's not the issue here.

It's just that when something is given an age suitability rating, the two main things rated are always sex and violence. Everything else comes after. So when I see someone pondering about whether something is appropriate or not to all ages, the logical assumption is that the issue is with the possibility of those two main things, sex and violence. So if I want to make something that is 'appropriate for all ages', then I don't include any sex or violence in the product, because that would not go through the age suitability check.

Would be nice to know in advance that none of the judges work based on this common criteria. That, or better yet, have rules that are not vague like 'appropriate for all ages'.

Something to learn for the next contest, is all I'm saying.

Mecha the Slag, i think your game should have won.. but you need to learn to be more gracious in defeat... i completely see what you mean with the scoring, but you're being a sore loser. you stated your case, you got a response, now it's over... attacking one of the generous sponsors of the competition isn't going to change the verdict. a judge made a mistake in the scoring so you didn't win, THATS LIFE.

and on the topic of violence.. while practically nothing offends me, Hitman has a point. but i think it's mostly just how warped Societies 'morals' are in general, nudity (a perfectly natural state of man) is seen as extremely offensive, but blowing the heads off of people is quite okay. if anything nudity should be acceptable and violence unacceptable.

@Mecha the Slag - im pretty sure all of the judges made enough mistakes judging the 40+ games that you arent the only one who's game got a slightly unfair score, but also that the games are mostly where they should be. it took the judges over 2 weeks in our "spare" time to judge all the games to the best of our abilities. we can't simply rejudge your game as that would be even more unfair to all the other entrants. you realise you are asking us to go back and re judge all the games. at least in the event comments category.

theres always going to be someone who feels they weren't judged fairly after the results come out. and after seeing how the last compo turned out, with us being called parents basement living in jerks, and that the compo was rigged, and it was all just an event to promote tamapumpkin (the winner of the compo), i think we did a pretty damn good job. and we will continue to improve our competitions, by being clearer with the rules, and more accurate with our judging.

if you want to continue persuing this issue, take it up with jeff directly and privately. any further comments here about this will be deleted.

@HitmanN - i wouldnt say either of those games have anything in them that would get them anything more than an E or E10+ whichever is the standard now by the ESRB. if youre under ten you probably shouldnt be playing videogames anyways, but outside playing.

zday 20 has mild animated blood and violence dealing with zombies. something i think a 10 year old would have no problem dealing with. there is no dismemberment or decapitation, or blood pooling, etc. the blood is even pinkish not red.

in darkfate, it is the story content that is mature, which i doubt a child might even fully comprehend. its like having an adult joke in a dreamworks animated film for kids. they dont understand it so whats the harm?

neither of the games have anything in them that would scar anyone for life. they are age appropriate for anyone who is capable of playing a game in the first place.

i challenge you to find a toddler who has access to the internet, knows about gamebuilder/clickteam, and knows how to play a game, all by himself/herself.